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free PL/I
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robin
2004-08-12 04:38:18 UTC
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"David Frank" <***@hotmail.com> writes: >
There are at least 3 free PL/I compilers available.
David Frank
2004-08-12 13:03:29 UTC
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Post by robin
There are at least 3 free PL/I compilers available.
IRT: Windows XP compilers..
Only the IBM Visual Age 2.0 trial download is free and supports Windows
(somewhat)..
BUT it wont accept the ISUB code you posted yesterday...
AND your so-called FAQ has no warnings about IBM's pending cancellations
of PL/I compiler support, why is that?
robin
2004-08-12 15:34:59 UTC
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Post by David Frank
Post by robin
There are at least 3 free PL/I compilers available.
IRT: Windows XP compilers..
Only the IBM Visual Age 2.0 trial download is free and supports Windows
(somewhat)..
BUT it wont accept the ISUB code you posted yesterday...
AND your so-called FAQ has no warnings about IBM's pending cancellations
of PL/I compiler support, why is that?
Here again, we've caught you out in another lie, haven't we !!

IBM has not and is not cancelling PL/I compiler support.
Au contraire, IBM continues to support
PL/I for Windows, Enterprise PL/I, and VA PL/I.

You know this, and have been told this many times.
David Frank
2004-08-13 05:42:25 UTC
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Post by robin
Post by David Frank
Post by robin
There are at least 3 free PL/I compilers available.
IRT: Windows XP compilers..
Only the IBM Visual Age 2.0 trial download is free and supports Windows
(somewhat)..
BUT it wont accept the ISUB code you posted yesterday...
AND your so-called FAQ has no warnings about IBM's pending cancellations
of PL/I compiler support, why is that?
Here again, we've caught you out in another lie, haven't we !!
IBM has not and is not cancelling PL/I compiler support.
Au contraire, IBM continues to support
PL/I for Windows, Enterprise PL/I, and VA PL/I.
You know this, and have been told this many times.
In June I warned PLI'ers:

Subject: Re: PL/I plug-pulling proceeds


Why dont you start "telling it like it is" that PL/I has NO future !!!

1. AIX PL/I support withdrawal is scheduled Sept 2005.

2. Visual Age PL/I v2.1 Windows NT support withdrawal is scheduled April
2006.

3. Personal PL/I (the only affordable PL/I) support has been withdrawn, and
there
is no longer a buy link thats active. The only way it can be purchased
is via
knowing its product # , and all you get is a download, NO hard-copy
reference manual.

None of this info of course is made available in your lying FAQ..
Tim Challenger
2004-08-13 06:39:26 UTC
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Post by David Frank
Post by robin
Post by David Frank
Post by robin
There are at least 3 free PL/I compilers available.
IRT: Windows XP compilers..
Only the IBM Visual Age 2.0 trial download is free and supports Windows
(somewhat)..
BUT it wont accept the ISUB code you posted yesterday...
AND your so-called FAQ has no warnings about IBM's pending cancellations
of PL/I compiler support, why is that?
Here again, we've caught you out in another lie, haven't we !!
IBM has not and is not cancelling PL/I compiler support.
Au contraire, IBM continues to support
PL/I for Windows, Enterprise PL/I, and VA PL/I.
You know this, and have been told this many times.
Subject: Re: PL/I plug-pulling proceeds
Why dont you start "telling it like it is" that PL/I has NO future !!!
1. AIX PL/I support withdrawal is scheduled Sept 2005.
2. Visual Age PL/I v2.1 Windows NT support withdrawal is scheduled April
2006.
3. Personal PL/I (the only affordable PL/I) support has been withdrawn, and
there
is no longer a buy link thats active. The only way it can be purchased
is via
knowing its product # , and all you get is a download, NO hard-copy
reference manual.
None of this info of course is made available in your lying FAQ..
Ah, so *you* said it. It must be true then.
Bugger, we'll have to change our programming language then. Rest assured it
won't be Fortran. I used to have a soft spot for Fortran because I wrote my
first ever "hello world" program in it in 1979. You have at least opened
my eyes to the language, but in a way that makes me never want to try it.
--
Tim C.
Mark Yudkin
2004-08-13 07:13:32 UTC
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glen herrmannsfeldt
2004-08-13 09:50:49 UTC
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Mark Yudkin wrote:

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Post by Mark Yudkin
PL/I for AIX, V2.0 G/A: 25 Jun 2004 W/D: -none-
PL/I Set for AIX V1.1 G/A: 22 Sep 1995 W/D: 30 Sep 2005
IBM are withdrawing public support for PL/I V1.1 because the product has
been replaced by a later version. It's the same reason, you also can't buy
Windows 95 or obtain support thereto without a special contract.
For IBM's mainframe software, each subsystem has a three
letter prefix that is used on all programs that make up that
subsystem, usually starting with I. Much of OS/360
has IE prefixes, such as IEM for the PL/I (F) compiler,
and IEY for the Fortran G compiler.

The PL/I optimizing compiler has the IBM prefix, and I
believe current versions of the PL/I compiler still do.
I don't believe it was accidental.

-- glen
John W. Kennedy
2004-08-13 14:24:55 UTC
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Post by glen herrmannsfeldt
For IBM's mainframe software, each subsystem has a three
letter prefix that is used on all programs that make up that
subsystem, usually starting with I. Much of OS/360
has IE prefixes, such as IEM for the PL/I (F) compiler,
and IEY for the Fortran G compiler.
The PL/I optimizing compiler has the IBM prefix, and I
believe current versions of the PL/I compiler still do.
I don't believe it was accidental.
Not quite. The Optimizing Compiler was IEL -- recycled from the
never-released PL/I (E) compiler.

But the library of the Optimizing Compiler, the Checkout Compiler, and
the entire LE, which grew out of it, is IBM, and so is the new PL/I
compiler.
--
John W. Kennedy
"Those in the seat of power oft forget their failings and seek only the
obeisance of others! Thus is bad government born! Hold in your heart
that you and the people are one, human beings all, and good government
shall arise of its own accord! Such is the path of virtue!"
-- Kazuo Koike. "Lone Wolf and Cub: Thirteen Strings" (tr. Dana Lewis)
glen herrmannsfeldt
2004-08-14 09:39:20 UTC
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(snip)
Post by John W. Kennedy
Post by glen herrmannsfeldt
The PL/I optimizing compiler has the IBM prefix, and I
believe current versions of the PL/I compiler still do.
I don't believe it was accidental.
Not quite. The Optimizing Compiler was IEL -- recycled from the
never-released PL/I (E) compiler.
But the library of the Optimizing Compiler, the Checkout Compiler, and
the entire LE, which grew out of it, is IBM, and so is the new PL/I
compiler.
I knew it was one, but I forgot which.

In any case, one might expect them to use it for their
favorite language. At least that is what I thought at
the time that the optimizing compiler came out.

-- glen

robin
2004-08-13 14:50:57 UTC
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Subject: Re: free PL/I
From: "David Frank" <***@hotmail.com>, Road Runner High Speed Online http://www.rr.com
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 05:42:25 GMT
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Post by robin
Post by David Frank
Post by robin
There are at least 3 free PL/I compilers available.
IRT: Windows XP compilers..
Only the IBM Visual Age 2.0 trial download is free and supports Windows
(somewhat)..
BUT it wont accept the ISUB code you posted yesterday...
AND your so-called FAQ has no warnings about IBM's pending cancellations
of PL/I compiler support, why is that?
Here again, we've caught you out in another lie, haven't we !!
IBM has not and is not cancelling PL/I compiler support.
Au contraire, IBM continues to support
PL/I for Windows, Enterprise PL/I, and VA PL/I.
You know this, and have been told this many times.
Subject: Re: PL/I plug-pulling proceeds
Why dont you start "telling it like it is" that PL/I has NO future !!!
1. AIX PL/I support withdrawal is scheduled Sept 2005.
2. Visual Age PL/I v2.1 Windows NT support withdrawal is scheduled April 2006.
3. Personal PL/I (the only affordable PL/I) support has been withdrawn, and there
is no longer a buy link thats active. The only way it can be purchased is via
knowing its product # , and all you get is a download, NO hard-copy
reference manual.
.
You lied then, and you're lying now.
In June, when you fabricated the above, Bill Klein told you:
.
"Subject: Re: IBM's committment to PL/I (was: PL/I plug-pulling proceeds
"From: "William M. Klein" <***@nospam.netcom.com>, EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net
"Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 11:36:34 GMT
"
"And you are wrong (then and now). As I said, see the referenced April 2004
"Announcement
"--
"Bill Klein wmklein <at> ix.netcom.com
"David Frank" <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:EjVzc.113196$***@twister.tampabay.rr.com...
"> "William M. Klein" <***@nospam.netcom.com> wrote in message
"> news:qBHzc.1409$***@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
"> > Did you READ the referenced announcement?
"> > IBM is happily enhancing both COBOL and PL/I on "workstations" - as
"> > indicated in
"> > the April 2004 Announcement. Of course it is a new named product - so this may
"> > be too difficult for Mr. Frank to understand.
"> > Please provide a reference to IBM's latest Fortran offering on Windows.
"> > --
"> Several months back, I alerted the fact that IBM was apparently withdrawing ALL
"> language support for Windows, and apparently Cobol is included..
robin
2004-08-13 15:32:03 UTC
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